Introduction
It seems common these days for people with no understanding of Islam or indeed science, to pontificate about both simultaneously. Nowhere is this better seen than the Islamophobic website “WikiIslam” devoted, it seems, to the most absurd allegations against the Quran, the religion of Islam, and the person of the Prophet Muhammad, on whom be peace.
A recent one in their arsenal is their allegation that the Quran represents the world as being “flat”. The Quran is a religious text that claims to be word-for-word revealed from the All-Knowing God, so if the Quran did state quite clearly that the world was flat, then that would indeed be a serious problem for Muslims.
That is not the case, however. In fact, as we shall soon see, the very verses used to allege that the Quran presents a flat-earth worldview in reality are extraordinary prophecies, detailing an astounding geological feature of the earth that remained unknown until the 20th century. The failure of this allegation reminds me of the following statement of the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmadas:
“I have seen people who make objections against Islam and I have collected these objections; and I say this truly that the point on which those who are unfamiliar with these matters have raised an objection, is precisely the point where a treasure of wisdom, truth and deep knowledge is buried and the person who objects has nothing but foolishness and blindness. With their objections they prove that they are narrow-minded and possess an unprincipled nature, otherwise they would not have raised objections against what is, in fact, a mine of deep and true knowledge. It is for this reason that I advise you to pursue your search for the truth with gentleness and patience.“
Wiki-Islam and Flat Earth Claims
Wiki-Islam claims that the Quran presents the world as flat on account of the following words used in the following verses:
Firash/Farashna
“Who made the earth a bed [firash] for you, and the heaven a roof, and caused water to come down from the clouds and therewith brought forth fruits for your sustenance. Set not up, therefore, equals to Allah, while you know.” [2:23]
“And the earth We have spread out [farashna], and how excellently do We prepare things!” [51:49]
Madadna
“And the earth have We spread out [madadna], and set therein firm mountains and caused everything to grow therein in proper proportion.” [15:20]
“And the earth — We have spread it out [madadna-ha], and placed therein firm mountains; and We have made to grow therein every kind of beautiful species.” [50:8]
Mahd
“He, Who has made the earth for you a cradle [mahd], and has made pathways, for you therein, that you may follow the right way” [43:11]
“It is He Who has made the earth for you a cradle [mahd], and has caused pathways for you to run through it; and Who sends down rain from the sky, and thereby We bring forth various kinds of vegetation.” [20:54]
Bisaat
“And Allah has made the earth for you a wide expanse [bisaat]” [71:20]
Dahaa
“And the earth, along with it, He spread forth [dahaa].” [79:31]
The authors of WikiIslam allege that because the Quran uses such terms as “bed” or “cradle” and such words as “spread out”, the Quran is painting a picture for us of a land-mass in which the earth was rolled out like a carpet or a rug for humans to sleep on, like a bed.
There is, however, another interpretation to these verses which fits perfectly reasonably with the verses too.
Refutation of WikiIslam
Is the Earth Spread-Out?
In 1912 a geophysicist and meteorologist by the name of Alfred Wegener, looking at the shape of the continents and how they fit together, developed the theory of “contintental drift”. This is the idea that all continents were once one land mass, and slowly drifted apart to their present-day positions. His view at the time was dismissed and regarded as outlandish. Sadly, he died in 1930, before the evidence supporting his view came to light.
In 1953, one of the largest structures on the planet was discovered by two geologists – Marie Tharp and Bruce Heezen: the mid-Atlantic ridge. The mid-Atlantic is the largest mountain range in the world, running a huge course on the seafloor of the Atlantic ocean. These mountain ranges are volcanic, continually emitting magma. The significance of this was not realised until, in 1962, Admiral Harry Hess published a groundbreaking paper in the History of Ocean Basins in which he demonstrated, through his sonar analysis of the ocean floor, that the further laterally you moved from the mid-ocean volcanoes (such as the mid-Atlantic ridge), the older the land became. Interestingly however, he found that the land closest to the volcanoes, was younger. He surmised from this that new molten magma was bubbling up from the volcanoes, setting on the seafloor surface and pushing the land laterally. This he termed “seafloor spreading”.
The process, he realised, verified the theory of “continental drift”. It was one of the greatest geological discoveries of history. The original landmass from which all the continents broke apart was termed “Pangaea”, Greek for “All Land”.
Is the Quran Referring to Sea-Floor Spreading?
From the above discovery, we now know that the Earth was, quite literally “spread out”. That the Quran uses that term specifically should be cause for anyone with sense to pause, and think. The term “seafloor spreading,” don’t forget, was not coined by Muslims.
But how can we know for sure that the verse is talking particularly about seafloor spreading that occurs at the bottom of the ocean? Isn’t it more likely that the verse is simply describing a “flat-Earth” idea? No – and here’s why.
The mid-ocean ridges are formed at the edges of two tectonic plates. As the plates move away from each other, the molten magma from under the Earth’s crust bubbles up, being given an opportunity to burst out under high pressure. The consequence is the formation of a mountain. This is important to understand; the process itself of plate tectonic movement enables magma upwelling, which in turn forms an underwater mountain range. The mountain range is formed by the very act of seafloor spreading.
To understand the significance of this, let’s look at the words the Quran uses for the term “mountain”. There are two words the Quran uses for the term “mountains” – Jibaal and Rawaasiya. In our article on whether mountains decrease the effects of earthquakes (they do!) we showed through analysis of the roots of each word, that they refer to two different types of mountains: mountains on land (Jibaal) and undersea mountains known as “seamounts” in Geology (Rawaasiya).
How do we know this? As we explained in our previous article, in Arabic, the root of a word determines its context of use and associated meanings. The word Rawaasiya is from the Arabic triliteral root r-s-w. This root gives the following meanings:
- Something stationary or fixed like a ship anchored to sea-floor
- To make the lowest part of a ship reach the bottom of the water, and therefore make the ship remain stationary
- To effect harmony, accommodation or adjustments between things
- To mention a part of a tradition or a story
- Beads on a string or a bracelet made from tortoise shells
- A port for anchoring ships
- To swim with someone
These root associations of the word Rawaasiya signify that it refers to such mountains as lie at the bottom of the ocean. This is clear from the Arabic. Moreover, the word jibaal is never conjoined with the Earth spreading out.
It is therefore highly significant that the Quran directly links the process of the Earth “spreading out” to the formation of underwater mountains, in the following verses:
“And the earth have We spread out [madadna], and set therein firm mountains [Rawaasiya] and caused everything to grow therein in proper proportion.” [15:20]
“And the earth — We have spread it out [madadna-ha], and placed therein firm mountains [Rawaasiya]; and We have made to grow therein every kind of beautiful pair.” [50:8]
The Quran therefore is speaking specifically about the spreading of the ocean floor. Clearly, the setting of underwater mountains on the Earth bears no relationship to the spreading of the Earth “like a carpet”, as Wiki-Islam would have us believe. Far from it. In fact, wonder upon wonder is heaped in these verses. As we continue reading, we find the following words: “…and caused everything to grow therein in proper proportion” and “…and We have made to grow therein every kind of beautiful pair”. What relationship does the ocean spreading and the subsequent formation of mountain ridges have to do with the creation of diverse, well proportioned, beautiful pairs, or species?
One explanation has come to light only recently, as more and more scientists believe that the perfect conditions for the origin of life are found in undersea hydrothermal vents, at these very mountain ridges. Thus, the process of seafloor spreading that creates these hydrothermal vents may be essential to the origin of life itself. Significantly, the Quran alludes to this, since it specifically mentions that “therein” i.e.: in the mountains themselves, did every beautiful species come forth, i.e.: the origin of life.
How could a 7th century illiterate Arab merchant have known this?
Subduction and Recycling
The Earth’s crust isn’t just continuously added to from the mid-ocean ridges. If it was, the undersea mountain ranges would become taller and sea-levels around the world would rise until all land would be submerged. The Earth’s crust is also consumed in other places, to produce a continuous “conveyer-belt” effect of production and destruction.
through “ridge push” and “slab pull”
The process of consumption of the Earth’s crust occurs at ocean ridges. These are deep trenches in the ocean where the lithosphere of one tectonic plate slides or “subducts” under another plate, resulting in the recycling of the Earth’s crust.
It may reasonably be asked that if the Quran genuinely refers to seafloor spreading, then does it refer to the destruction of the Earth’s crust which is an equally important and fundamental part of the story? That would weigh in favour of the interpretation that the “spreading” of the earth refers to the process of seafloor spreading. The answer is yes:
“Do they not see that We are visiting the land, reducing it from its outlying borders? And Allah judges; there is none to reverse His judgement. And He is swift at reckoning.” [13:42]
It is common in the Quran for God to draw the attention of the reader to physical processes and use them as analogies for spiritual truths. In this verse, God describes how He is literally destroying land at its “outlying borders”. This is the meaning of God “visiting the land”; the same phrase of God destroying something by literally visiting it is referred to in 2:211. Further, the implication is that this refers to a literal process, since the reader is literally asked to “see” this process occurring.
In fact, the Quran doesn’t just leave the matter there. It also gives the mechanism by which the Earth’s crust is recycled. This is reflected in the strange choice of words used by the Quran with respect to this spreading process. One of the words used is madad from the Arabic root م د د which literally means “to pull” or “stretch something by pulling”.
As new crust forms at mid-ocean ridges, it produces a force termed “ridge-push” and as the lithosphere of one tectonic plate subducts into the mantle, it produces another force called “slab-pull”. These two forces combined account for the process of seafloor spreading: new crust pushes old crust away, and old crust pulls new crust along. There has been disagreement over as to which of these two forces is most responsible for seafloor spreading. The scientific consensus now is that “slab-pull” is the more powerful force (70-80%) and that “ridge-push” accounts for less (20-30%). Just as the Quran mentions, the “spreading” of the Earth is through a pulling action.
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Definitive Evidence of Planetary Model in the Quran
Though the above quite adequately demonstrates a magnificent Quranic prophecy, and at the same time refutes the notion that the “spreading” mentioned in the Quran visualises a flat-earth system, it is does not in itself provide evidence that the Quranic view of Earth is planetary.
For this, we must turn to a different verse of the Quran. There is no point in reinventing the wheel, and as such, I will simply quote the remarkable and beautiful elucidation of the Fourth Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community, Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmadrh, to explain the definitive evidence of a planetary model in the Quran:
Now we turn to another aspect of the description of the cosmos which relates to the motion of the heavenly bodies. The most striking feature of this description relates to the way the motion of the earth is described without glaringly contradicting the popular view prevailing in that age. All the scholars and sages of that time were unanimous in their belief that the earth is stationary while other heavenly bodies like the sun and the moon are constantly revolving around it. In view of this, the motion of the earth as described by the Quran may not be apparent to the casual reader, but to a careful student the message is loud and clear. If the Quran had described the earth as stationary and the heavenly bodies as revolving around it, then although the people of that time might have been satisfied with this description, the people of the later ages would have treated that statement as a proof of the ignorance of the Quran’s author. Such a statement, they would emphasize, could not have been made by an All-Knowing, Supreme Being.
Rather than literally comparing the motion of the earth to that of other heavenly bodies, the Quran makes the following statement:
وَ تَرَی الۡجِبَالَ تَحۡسَبُہَا جَامِدَۃً وَّ ہِیَ تَمُرُّ مَرَّ السَّحَابِ ؕ صُنۡعَ اللّٰہِ الَّذِیۡۤ اَتۡقَنَ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ ؕ اِنَّہٗ خَبِیۡرٌۢ بِمَا تَفۡعَلُوۡنَ“The mountains that you see, you think they are stationary while they are constantly floating like the floating of clouds. Such is the work of Allah Who made everything firm and strong. ” [27:89]
If the mountains are declared to be in constant motion, then the only logical inference to be drawn from this would be that the earth is also rotating along with them. But thanks to the masterly language of the Quran this observation went unnoticed. They had the impression, shared with the rest of mankind, that the earth was stationary and it was this false impression that was not obtrusively challenged. If they had read with care the end of the same verse they would have been left with no room for any misunderstanding. It ends with a lasting tribute to the creative faculty of God, Who has created all things with such firmness that they cannot be dislodged. Anything which cannot be dislodged can never be catapulted out of the earth, to fly alone, leaving the earth behind.
…The Holy Quran exquisitely succeeds in making this revelation in a manner that the prevalent knowledge of that time is not too loudly challenged. It is likely that the people may have believed verse 89 of Surah Al-Naml, referred to a future event associated with Doomsday. But as has been demonstrated, this misinterpretation would be absolutely unacceptable for the following reasons:
The verse clearly speaks in the present tense and not in the future tense. The letter ( وَّ ) vaow used here can literally be translated as ‘while’ instead of ‘and’, so the meaning could be, ‘you think the mountains are stationary, while they are moving’. To refer this part of the statement to the future is impermissible.If they, the mountains, were to fly in the future then how could man, even if he were perched at a safe distance on another planet, believe them to be stationary despite watching them flying in space? Hence such a translation is out of the question. Also, to translate this verse to indicate that though humans today consider the mountains to be stationary, they are not so because in future they will fly, would be evidently wrong. If the mountains are stationary today the humans would certainly see them to be stationary. It is not a question of their thinking them to be stationary. The Quran would have said ‘You know them to be stationary and so they are but in future they will no longer be so’. This is not what the Quran says at all.
At the end of the same verse, a tribute to the firmness of God’s creation is the last clinching proof that the mountains, despite flying, are firmly entrenched.
It is noteworthy that the early commentaries maintain silence on the true meaning of this verse which suggests that it was too difficult for them to interpret.
This is a remarkable and profound proof of the existence of God. But only for those who would make use of their reason.
“And no soul can believe except by the permission of Allah. And He makes His wrath descend on those who will not use their reason.” [10:101]
Absurdities Ad-Infinitum
There are other verses, besides those given at the beginning of this article, using which WikiIslam argues that the Quran presents a flat Earth. They are however so absurd that they don’t really require much refutation. Simple common sense will do, so they won’t be dealt with in any significant depth.
The Sun and the Muddy Spring
The first argument is that the Quran describes the journey of Dhul Qarnain (Cyrus the Great) Westwards, stopping at a point where the sun sets into a body of water, muddy in nature. This is the Black Sea, containing muddy springs (hence named “Black”) and sitting at the Western extent of Cyrus’ empire. WikiIslam authors argue that because the Quran describes the sun as setting into the sea, it means the sun literally enters into the water. The point is so absurd it needs no refutation. Oh alright then, here’s one for you:
Fasting in the Polar Regions
The second argument is that because Ramadan is really long at the Polar regions (despite the fact that the Prophet of Islam gave advice on how to manage religious obligations when days are long) the Quran must have envisaged a flat earth. Why this logically follows is beyond me. The existence of lengthy days at the polar regions do not affect more than 1% of the world’s population, and so is irrelevant; fasting in normal daylight times would still be considered a valid practice.
The Ends of the Earth
The third argument is that the Quran describes how a time will come when God will level the “mountains” such that no depression or elevation will be seen in the Earth. From this, the authors have argued that the Quran is speaking of a time when man will be able to see to the end of the Earth. Except that the Quran nowhere states that. It simply states that when the mountains are crushed and scattered, there will be no elevation or depression in the Earth. In reality the prophetic words relate to the great and mighty powers, “mountains” standing figuratively in the Quran for mighty powers or leaders. After all, the verse begins “They ask thee concerning the mountains…”; nobody asked the Prophet of Islam about physical mountains, but about the hurdles faced by the Muslim community, in the form of great nations, such as the Byzantine and the Persian empires, which were indeed, humbled, crushed and scattered by the Muslims.
Easts and Wests
The Quran describes the Earth as having “two Easts and two Wests”. This can in fact be understood as relating to a globe in which East is the West of West, and West is the East of East. Early Muslims however believed this related to the two extreme points on the horizon where the sun rose and set from and to, during the height of Summer and the depth of Winter. Again, this need not necessitate a flat Earth. It just shows a different understanding of the verse.
Sky Above Us
Because the Quran describes the heavens as a canopy with many layers or like a building with many floors, apparently that necessitates a flat Earth. Who knew? Not to burst their bubble, but the atmosphere of Earth actually is composed of multiple layers. Some number the layers as four, others as seven, above the layer in which we exist (the Troposphere), which is precisely what the Quran states:
“And We have created above you seven layered heavens (lying one above the other), and We are never neglectful of the creation.” [23:18]
Extraordinarily, the Quran describes them as being layered, i.e. lying “one above the other” which is exactly the case. God ends the verse by referring to His concern to protect and provide for His creatures. It is an established fact that without the atmospheric layers, the Earth would be inhospitable for life, since it blocks harmful rays from the sun, traps heat, and contains oxygen.
Beliefs of Early Muslims
Finally, Wiki-Islam refers to the beliefs of the early Muslims, some of whom seemed to believe in a flat Earth. This is an irrelevance and carries no weight. The Quran is a book for all times to come. That some Muslims of the past believed in a flat Earth is not an argument that carries any weight.
Conclusion
One question remains, and it is applicable to all verses of the Quran on scientific topics. Why didn’t the Quran just explicitly describe the Earth as a globe rotating around the Earth? Because had it done so, it would run the risk of being rejected by the people of the 7th century on the basis of an irrelevant scientific fact that bears no relation to the purpose for which the Quran was sent – spiritual development. It is a hallmark of its beauty that when it refers to scientific phenomena, it does so in a manner that does not fall foul of incorrect or primitive beliefs on the nature of Earth and the universe, while yet containing essential truths discernible in more scientifically enlightened, future ages. The matter of the spreading of the Earth, cited earlier, is one such example.
How could an illiterate merchant of the 7th century provide mankind with a book containing such essential truths on the major discoveries of various fields of study? The matter of the earth being “spread out” is made so frequently in the Quran that to the undiscerning eye, it seems bizarre. Why so much emphasis on the idea of the Earth being “spread” and what does that even mean? Only in light of seafloor spreading and the fundamental importance that played in the formation of undersea mountains, and indeed, the beginning of life, does the importance of the Earth’s “spreading” come to light.
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Great read there, taught me a thing or two!
Thank you!
Salam tahir nasir
I wanted to ask you that the words you mentioned above which are firash, farash, bisaat, madadna etc…… I can’t find these arabic words in the quranic verses and you mentioned a quranic verse 20:54 it don’t say anything about earth but it only says bout pasture the livestock….. And you also said that dhul qarnayn is referred to cyrus the great but as far as I know dhul qarnayn was Allah’s prophet whi sealed yog and magog in a wall away from humanity so you’re saying cyrus did that?
Please help me out sir
Regards
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So enlightening. It’s strange why the blessed ones are actually the most negligent .
Hi there.
You said: Moreover, the word jibaal is never conjoined with the Earth spreading out.
However, please take a look at chapter 79, verses 30, 31, 32 (in the commonly used Quran). Verse 32 uses “wal-jibala” and not rawasiyya, when verse 30 talks about the earth being spread out.
Hi there Ayse. Thanks for the reply. The verses you have referred to are as follows:
And the earth, along with it, He spread forth.
He produced therefrom its water and its pasture,
And the mountains, He made them firm.
(79:31-33)
It would seem to me that the earth and its spreading is mentioned separately from the mountains that have been made firm. After all, they are in separate verses. By saying that the spreading of the earth is not conjoined with the mention of Jibaal, what was not meant is that they cannot occur in the same passage, but that whenever spreading out is mentioned along with mountains immediately along side it, in the same verse, then you see the word rawaasiyaa is used. The word “And” in verse 33, signifies that this is another example that is being given, separate to what has preceded it.
Hope that makes sense.
Assalam u Alakium
Brothers and sisters in Islam I ask that you consider for a moment that indeed the earth is flat and the the words of the Qur’an are justified and true without any doubt. I will give you three proofs for you to begin your own inquisition into this matter. First, please check the Gravitational constant G’s value. If you can replicate the experiment on your own then well and good, but by Allah you will not be able to get this value ever in real life. Secondly, the Michael and Morley experiment proved without doubt that the earth is stationary, so how is it easier for you to believe in the abstractions of Einstein’s theories of time dialation and space shrinking, then your own eyes. And Thirdly, look at the sun and the moon with your own eyes. is it millions of miles away or is it just above the clouds. You can see their light break through the clouds at opposing angles, as if by a pyramid, and then remember Ibrahim AS when he realized neither Sun or the Moon are gods. So why would the whole world conspire to falsify the words of Allah and why are our top scholars bending backwards to capitulate to so called “Science”. They are more eager to find ways to bend the words of the Qur’an to the falsehood of the dajjal. We Muslims are in the sorry state we are today because we put this so called “Science” above the Qur’an. I was once like you brothers, but now I praise my Lord because he has awoken me to the falsehood of the Jesuit priests, secret worshippers of the sun, the son. Forsake the myths of the taghoot and embrace the the words of Allah. Do your own research, but first begin by questioning the science, and not the Qur’an.
Thank you for your concern but we’re good.
I think that you should inform yourself some more about the Michaelson and Morley experiment, which was one of the scientific experiments that became famous because it failed completely. Einstein later explained very well why it failed.
Assalamualaikum brother,
I started reciting quran during lockdown [this time with intention to understand, not merely reading it]
and subhan Allah I don’t know I suddenly started doubting each and everything NASA says.
Previously, I used to think that Quran isn’t a science book to explain each stuff that goes in the world. But Alhamdulillah the way I used to perceive the things has been completely changed.
To understand the verses of the Quran more clearly I started watching videos of great scholars like zakir naik but most of them just bend the words to MATCH the modern science.
Eventually I founded this page after googling a little and I am happy to find your comment. To find someone with the same intellect.
I would be glad to have a discussion with you.
Do reply me brother.
Assalamualaikum.
Nice try, but not very convincing, because the Quran itself contradicts your answer in 15:19, where it not 9nly says that the Earth is “spread out” (like a carpet) but also that mountains are immobile. If they were indeed immobile, there couldn’t be any continental drift. Moreover, we all know very well that mountains grow, move, crumble, erode and disappear forever.
the verse you’re referring to mentions that the mountains are firm not immobile but the word ‘firm’ doesn’t necessarily mean immobile therefore the point of continental drift still stands.
Growing up reading the Holy Quran from a young age, it was very obvious that either the Earth is spinning according to the Holy Quran or there is continental drift.
As in one verse it says the Mountains are moving like clouds and in the other it says the Mountains are firmly rooted in the Earth – both things can only be true if either the Earth is spinning on its axis or there is continental drift.
Given that Continental drift to human beings hundreds of years ago would be impossible to imagine, the first conclusion Muslim scientists should have drawn was that the Earth was spinning on its axis based on a literal reading of the Holy Quran. It puzzles me that such great minds were unable to come to the conclusion that a 13 or 14 year old child was close to coming to – the only reason I can think of for this is that the Muslim Scientists and thinkers of the East were so enamoured with the works of Aristotle which limited their imagintive thinking and were not employing the Holy Quran in their scientific thought processes – whereas in the West the Muslim Scientists started breaking vehemently away from Aristotle..
How do you know
Hello, I think in this verse it uses a figure of speech. Let me explain, as you have said, we know mountains break, but I think what Allah is trying to say is that he placed mountains on the earth firmly, meaning that mountains will break but mountains will always have a firm presence on earth. It also says that there is life on the earth and that it is also spread out, as this kind brother already explained the spread out section and the life, i give you my description on why I think the mountain thing you are saying could mean something else
Observation is the key here. It will confirm the words and will confirm the truth. My prayers are with you all!
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Great article! But I don’t think that the seven heavens mean layers of the atmosphere, because in verse 41: 13 it says that the lowest heaven is adorned with lamps:
“So He completed them into seven heavens in two days, and He revealed to each heaven its function. And We adorned the lowest heaven with lamps for light and for protection. That is the decree of the Mighty, the All-Knowing.”
If lamps mean either planets or stars, I think the lowest heaven either means the solar system (with the planets reflecting sunlight as the lamps) or a cluster of stars.
I think “heaven” in these verses means something like “space” or “everything that is outside the earth”.
If seven heavens means literally seven it could refer to different levels of structures of the universe, with the solar system being the first heaven, a star cluster the second, the galaxy the third, a cluster of galaxies the fourth etc.
But I also heard the explanation that “seven” is used to mean “many” or an endless repetition in the arabic language, in the same way “thousands” is used in English to mean “many”. So if it just means “many” it could simply refer to the billions of star systems in the universe. I think this is the most likely explanation for the seven heavens and the seven earths, that it means “many star systems and star clusters with many earth-like planets”.
There is also a verse about shooting stars being missiles against devils. Maybe “devils” in that verse means devil-like people, maybe there were evil people back then that were scared of shooting stars for some reason, but that is just my theory.
Here Hazoor also says that heavens means star systems and earths means planets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKOmYxmvTXk&
A very valid point. Thank you brother Felix.
i typed a comment… its not here anymore… where is it???
it could also be that the whole material and space in the universe including the billions stars and galaxies and deep space far beyond our imagination is in fact still below the seven heaven. That the first heaven is probably immaterial or beyond time and space, and probably doesnt have the properties of even quantum physics and all that. Imagine that. Wallahu a’lam.
I think it’s referring to multiverses. The lowest heaven is the entire universe, and each heaven is exponentially larger than the preceding heaven and then we finally get to Allah’s arsh and Allah’s throne which are larger than the 7th heaven. This is all according to a hadith I heard.
great artical!!!!!!!!!!!
When you were talking about “Sky above us” you said it was referring to the layers of our atmosphere. If that’s the case you need to explain how the quran claims the stars are in the lowest heaven (The troposphere). Based on your logic stars would be found in the troposphere which we know isn’t accurate. I know being apologetic and defending a book written by 700AD desert dwellers could be challenging so try again.
He wont answer man, but here I will tell you, this seven heavens being troposphere and all is BS, They are only trying to fit Quran into how science interprets the universe`. But I am a Muslim okay and I believe in what Quran contains every word of it and if Quran says earth is flat that means it it, even if NASA says whatever or shows me whatever pictures, let me tell you I will reject all their evidence just because I believe the Quran is from Allah and I don’t need any validation for that. SO when Allah says earth is a bed spread out, it is an expanse I feel that is so true and I feel that is what earth means, not a spinning ball.
Allah’s each word is full of meanings. We just need to understand its secrets. May be we’re not understanding it correctly.
Hahahah ur not a Muslim man up don’t disguise urself ,if ur a Christian urs bible contradicts itself and there four versions of bibles they all contradict each other’s.If ur a Hindus which I believe ur read ur Mahabharata Ramayana epics how many fairytales are there.
He cannot explain that because the article is pathetic, contradictory, and twisting the Quranic verses to suit his “science”
The Earth is indeed flat, that is what the Quran and the Bible say.
In fact the Quran in many verses compares the Earth with the seven heavens (skies), never once compared the Earth with planets, the sun or the moon, because they completely differ, it is like comparing a house to a banana, furthermore, the Earth was created before the heavens as the Quran says. So ask the writer of the Article to refute that if he can, he is just as blind as those who believe and belittle God’s creation of the Earth. People have been living a tremendous lie fabricated by the ruling elites, their brains cannot even comprehend it and will always launch its defence mechanisms to protect itself from collapsing.
The Quran clearly describes in many instances that the sky is a ceiling and cannot be penetrated, and never once mentions galaxies or space or void. It says that God sends water from the sky, it says that the stars and planets are in the lower sky, it says that God lifted up the sky, it says that the sun and moon both swim/circle in the sky. If the earth is really a sphere why did not God say it is a ball, or even hint to that, not once. It is a matter of choice; believe in God and his Quran and his laws, or believe Hollywood, the ruling elites, NASA jokes, and the so called “Gravity” and “Science”.
Research Flat Earth and stop believing in NASA’s CGIs, however, YouTube and Google will only mostly show you stories of people mocking flat earth so you have to dig a bit deeper (e.g. Eric Dubay 200 proofs the earth is not a spinning ball)
here is a good article:
https://www.quranite.com/the-quranic-model-of-the-heavens-and-the-earth/
Do not listen to Muslims interpretation of the Quran, they know nothing about the Quran, they claim to have authority over it, but they know nothing about it particularity those who speak Arabic (the irony), they worship a black box in Saudi Arabia, they serve the tyrants (those who live in the middle east) and serve their modern tyrants (those who live in the west) they perform rituals never once mentioned in the Quran, and they do everything opposite to what the Quran says.
There is no religion in the Quran, Muslims invented a religion called Islam, nowhere mentioned in the Quran, the Quran calls all mankind to submit to God the creator of the heavens and the earth. Of course they will quickly jump and say there are verses that say the Deen of God is “Islam”, this shows how ignorant and blind they are, they brand the name Islam and do not even attempt to translate it to submission, deceiving the masses into a cult called “Islam”, the path of God is submission to him not “Islam”.
Peace
Mousa
OMG this is a parody of sort, Why didn’t Allah mention earth is round because people will not understand that in that time? Many people don’t believe now because there are ants and birds talking to people in Quran, so doesn’t that mean by your applied logic, Allah shouldn’t have mentioned such stories either.
Allah never says earth is round and infact there is a statement which states Earth is fixed in one place, and here we have science telling us Earth is rotating and revolving, lets assume science says earth is flat, so then you will surely interpret those verses as earth being flat, be sincere and tell me you won’t? If you sincere answer this question.
The Quran does not talk about talking ants. It talks about a tribe of humans called the Namlites, ie: they were named after ants. The birds referred to are not literal birds but highly spiritual people, though a few other interpretations are possible, none of which include talking birds. Please read the following commentary for the next few pages linked:
https://www.alislam.org/quran/view/?page=2396®ion=E54
Huh so you are a follower of some other religion not the Islam that is from Allah? Because in our Islam, Prophet Suleiman indeed knew the languages of animals, He was granted the kingdom of Jinn. So what are Jinn, another tribe with flat noses?
It is unbelievable that you people think everything has to be in accordance to the views of modern scientific establishments. You indeed have no faith and you are the hypocrites,
I bear witness that I do not associate any partners with Allah and I do not mock his book, neither do I measure or compare it with science in order for me to believe in it. I believe in Allah and the Last Day, even if everything in the Quran contradicts with the modern man says about this universe. I still believe in Allah I do not need Quran to suit the views of disbelievers. Oh Allah I disassociate myself from those who try to change the meaning of your Book and I disassociate myself from every ungrateful hypocrite who only lives to please his people around him.
And there is it I take my leave from the people who have furthur gone Astray…
Thank you. You and (hayy bin yaqzan) seems to be only ones with common sense here.
Subhanallah the world is flat and the seas are level. People have been brain washed in believing in satanist and darwin evolution theories
Yes Asif, its so obvious. The people have been brainwashed in all field politically, scientifically, religiously, economically, and socially, and militarily. It now takes Allah’s grace and guidance to understand the truth.
Are you guys mocking Quran?
i do not need scientific theory to tell me that earth is a sphere.
Earth is here and you can go from anywhere you are to makkah from the east or the west on a plane and still arrive in mecca.
The Quran never said that earth is flat. Do not lie.
Allahu Akbar, Waseem, may Allah grant you Jannatul Firdaus. As you have disassociate yourself from the disbelieving folks, thesame way our father Abrahim did. How dare we believe in thesame folks that staged the “fake moon land” and disbelieve in Allah. Surely the hyocrites and the disbelievers shall be put to shame.
I used to be a geography teacher, teaching all those stuff, but Alhamdulillah, I realised the truth that modern day science is working hard to quench the light of Allah on earth by fulsifying His scriptures, and the hypocrites are dancing to their tunes for worldly gains. They sell the ayaat of Allah for a paltry price. They shall come to know.
Please tell me you were being sarcastic
THUS IS SO FUNNI IM SORRY IM LAUGHING SO HARD
Not just Q’ran but in Pakistan imams are saying to kids that earth is not jus flat but it is still(not revolving) and sun comes around it makrs day and night
https://youtu.be/L9ofCP3WAKU
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Can you show me in Surah 27:18 where is any mention of the tribe of Namlites?
It’s in 27:19 in Ahmadiyya numbered Qurans, and 27:18 of most Sunni Qurans.
seven-layer of the atmosphere is wrong because the Quran says the star is at the lower sky/heaven.
I will compare two languages English and Urdu/Hindi and translate them as I Urdu/Hindi is my native language and as you can see I have learned English from school.
English:
“The Earth is round”
Urdu/Hindi:
“Zameen gol hai” If you want to be scientific then
“Dharti gol hai”
Here zameen and dharti means Earth. Gol = round. Hai is like “is”.
Now if I wanted to make a house in a hilly area I have to level up the land so in English I will say:
“Level up the land” or “Flat the land”
Urdu/Hindi:
“Zameen ko barabr karo”
Zameen = land. Ko is like “it” or sometimes ” ‘s ” like Dania’s pen. Barabr = even. Karo = do
Now look in the previous sentence
Zameen meant Earth in the first sentence and in the second sentence it ment land. It doesn’t mean level up the whole earth and if you think that I I must you should see a therapist. If you don’t know the language then you can’t digest it’s true meaning.
sorry but you are still wrong becausethe quran says the stars are at the lowest heaven
do you now what happen if all the stars are at the lowest heaven.
the quoran simply borrowed from babalyion
mythology which says stars are at the lowest heaven.
Sia, the Quran is directly from Allah, Babylonian mythology wasn’t written until 700 B.C. The Quran was sent down before that.
Hello, in Islam, most scholars say the first heaven is the universe, and we are unable to go any higher than that because the heavens are so big and we will never have enough fuel to get all the way up there. So if we take this theory that the universe we live in is the bottom heaven, then the Quran isn’t wrong since all stars are in our universe
Firstly scholars are not scientists, show me where did you get the seven universes in any non-Islamic website.
secondly, the Quran says the sun and the moon are in between heaven.
so you mean the sun and moon are in another universe.
thirdly it is only talking about the solar system with seven earth of the solar system.
also, Babylonian mythology says stars at lower heaven does that mean they believed in the multi-universe.
do not try to twist the Quran, Quran has no science in it.
Sia, the Quran is directly from Allah, Babylonian mythology wasn’t written until 700 B.C. The Quran was sent down before that.
Are you kidding me the quoran written in 700 ac.
and the quoransays stars are at lowest heaven.
Do you know what happen if the stars where at the lowest heaven/sky.
are you serious Quran written at least 1500 years after Babylonian Mythology.
After the fact explanation doesn’t work – whatever science u trying to explain has been plagiarized from Sanskrit vedas .. that’s why it’s half truth and not clear . The vedas have clearly shown all planets and even before NASA figured out how to tell future planet locations and size and distances ;the vedas were accurate then and now being considered discovery by the newer scientists
Alhumdulillah we are muslims. Last Prophet HAZRAT MUHAMMAD salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam mentioned in Sura Ahzab that there is no PROPHET after Hazrat Muhammad salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam.
Quran is miracle. Everything is mentioned in it.
You and your words count for the judgment day. Stop supporting the west. Just for the sake of satisfying them do not change the real meaning of the Qur’an. Go check the old Tafsir. All the old Mufasirin have mentioned the real meaning of the verses that u mentioned and all say Earth is flat. Yes Earth is flat and all religions say that too.
We all know NASA only show us CGI images of Earth. They use fish eye cameras in ISS thats why we see the curveture.
Earth is flat and it is the Center of the Universe.
People like you is why the world isn’t evolving and getting better.
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Trying to bend the verses to fit the narrative of the modern science is literally pushing donw the scripture, Earth is flat and geocentric as we experience , NASA LIES SO DOES ALL GOVERMENTS. Wikislam might have said Qur’an is a flat earth book , and they have done pretty good research on the root words and its meanings, i see you offend a brother who said his opinion . Please be more open to ideas, as Quran is a book for people who can think . Pls start using it.
why only mentioned about sun, earth, and moon in quran, not about other planets, it shows that the quran is written by a human as like he imagined what he have seen in their 40 year life, as we can see sun and moon only from earth. quran assumes all other planets are stars not planets, but we know there is only one star in our solar system is the Sun.
What about normal stars
Where in the Quran does it say that all planets are stars? Also, the Bible or Torah has nothing about all the planets, so according to your logic all those books are fake, why do we need to know about other planets in the Quran for our religion? Allah let us discover those on our own
Ocean floor spreading is not the answer… The verses about the earth being spread talk in the past tense and are in the context of the creation of the heaven and earth (spreading and continental drift rather are ongoing processes).
Regarding ocean mountains, the best tafsir is the Quran itself. The word referred to (rawāsiya) does not mean specifically ocean crust mountains since in 13:3 it is used for “mountains and rivers placed therein” when the earth is spread and 77:27 they are additionally “lofty” to emphasise their height above us.
Others have pointed out why seven heavens cannot mean atmospheric layers.
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If you need whole paragraphs to try to refute something written into the Quran quite plainly in a few words, then you are greatly deceived
The length of something doesn’t dictate the validity of one’s arguments no more than the type of font one uses.
There’s so many weasel arguments here that it’s ridiculous. The idea that the Qur’an referring to the spreading of the Earth is actually a reference to seafloor spread is ridiculous and laughable. Also funny how the exact same language of God “spreading out the Earth” appears in pre-Islamic texts describing a flat Earth.
Isaiah 42:5: This is what God the Lord says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it:
Psalm 136:6: who spread out the earth upon the waters, His love endures forever.
There’s even an example of pre-Islamic poetry where the “spread out” language is used to refer to a flat Earth. So that was ridiculous. And yes, the Qur’an holds that the sun set in a spring of muddy water. I mean, it literally says so outright. The reference to Cyrus the Great is more weasel words – Dhu al-Qarnayn is Alexander the Great, and the Qur’anic story of Dhu al-Qarnayn clearly has a relationship with the Syriac Alexander Legend, whether direct or indirect, which states that Alexander the Great reached the end of the world where he found the place where the sun sets. The mythology is clearly exactly the same, and the flat Earth is exactly the same, and the factual error is exactly the same.
the word [dahaa]. Cannot refer to sea floor spreading. It describes the construction of a ostrich nest. When the parents flatten out the terrain before laying.
Ocean floor spreading is not the answer… The verses about the earth being spread talk in the past tense and are in the context of the creation of the heaven and earth (spreading and continental drift rather are ongoing processes).
Regarding ocean mountains, the best tafsir is the Quran itself. The word referred to (rawāsiya) does not mean specifically ocean crust mountains since in 13:3 it is used for “mountains and rivers placed therein” when the earth is spread and 77:27 they are additionally “lofty” to emphasise their height above us.
Others have pointed out why seven heavens cannot mean atmospheric layers.